Wow yeah I’m with Maria on this one, you definitely stuck it to religion this time. I mean what kind of fools pray as a family for their kids’ health and wellbeing instead of going to the doctor? Surely there aren’t families that do both, right? You’re a dumb-ass. You too Maria LOL!!
who do you think gave the scientists the intelligence to find cures? did you ever think that THEY are God’s answer to the prayers of the religious? Just becuz lightening doesn’t crack and ‘boom’ they are healed doesn’t mean its not God. Without him, the scientist wouldn’t have to minds to heal our sick. God works through them. I will say, however, that those who refuse medical attention are a little overboard…they are refusing to accept the gift offered to them and therefore do not realize they are missing out on the real answer to their prayers. It should remind us that the answer we are looking for is rarely the answer God gives.
Kaitlyn: Isn’t it really, really convenient that your particular God is behind all the good things people do? I’ve seen it many times. Bad things happen (earthquakes, war, terror, forest fires, whatever) and people go “Well, God had nothing to do with that” or “God can’t interfere with our free will! Of course he can’t save those starving children/earthquake victims/etc!”
But when someone does something good, like a doctor curing a disease? Well then it’s *obvious* (to you) that your particular God is behind that. How come? How come it’s not just as obvious that God is behind a terrorist bombing a building? Why do you know what is “God’s works” and what is just humans doing what humans do?
Ben: If you both pray and go to a doctor, you’re obviously trusting in science and not trusting that the prayer itself will do anything real. That’s totally ok with me.
But just because you act rationally, doesn’t mean that other people do. Don’t judge this picture out of your narrow “Well *I* don’t act stupidly, so don’t go saying that religious people do!” The point is that there are religious people who do trust in only their religion, and that is an actual problem.
There are many examples, for instance a highly publicized one from a few years ago. A 14 year old girl had easily treatable diabetes, but she died when her parents chose faith healing instead of taking her to the doctor for insulin. As long as things like that happen, I will argue against all faith healing, all “God answers our prayers” attitudes, all “Look, I’m healthy again – God did this, and God can heal you too!”-stories, etc. Even if it hurts your feelings, I will be against things like that, because it encourages people to *actually* trust in faith healing, which can lead to other innocent kids die from treatable things when parents are convinced that faith healing works.
So even if you are rational enough to go to a doctor, I don’t care if you feel a little insulted if I want to point out that the human medicine is the only thing that has an observable effect. Prayer has never had any observable effect in studies.
Maria
August 19, 2011 - 7:14 pmLOL! this is soo true!
ben
August 22, 2011 - 4:59 amWow yeah I’m with Maria on this one, you definitely stuck it to religion this time. I mean what kind of fools pray as a family for their kids’ health and wellbeing instead of going to the doctor? Surely there aren’t families that do both, right? You’re a dumb-ass. You too Maria LOL!!
Kaitlyn
August 23, 2011 - 5:30 pmwho do you think gave the scientists the intelligence to find cures? did you ever think that THEY are God’s answer to the prayers of the religious? Just becuz lightening doesn’t crack and ‘boom’ they are healed doesn’t mean its not God. Without him, the scientist wouldn’t have to minds to heal our sick. God works through them. I will say, however, that those who refuse medical attention are a little overboard…they are refusing to accept the gift offered to them and therefore do not realize they are missing out on the real answer to their prayers. It should remind us that the answer we are looking for is rarely the answer God gives.
Zabinatrix
August 23, 2011 - 6:40 pmKaitlyn: Isn’t it really, really convenient that your particular God is behind all the good things people do? I’ve seen it many times. Bad things happen (earthquakes, war, terror, forest fires, whatever) and people go “Well, God had nothing to do with that” or “God can’t interfere with our free will! Of course he can’t save those starving children/earthquake victims/etc!”
But when someone does something good, like a doctor curing a disease? Well then it’s *obvious* (to you) that your particular God is behind that. How come? How come it’s not just as obvious that God is behind a terrorist bombing a building? Why do you know what is “God’s works” and what is just humans doing what humans do?
Ben: If you both pray and go to a doctor, you’re obviously trusting in science and not trusting that the prayer itself will do anything real. That’s totally ok with me.
But just because you act rationally, doesn’t mean that other people do. Don’t judge this picture out of your narrow “Well *I* don’t act stupidly, so don’t go saying that religious people do!” The point is that there are religious people who do trust in only their religion, and that is an actual problem.
There are many examples, for instance a highly publicized one from a few years ago. A 14 year old girl had easily treatable diabetes, but she died when her parents chose faith healing instead of taking her to the doctor for insulin. As long as things like that happen, I will argue against all faith healing, all “God answers our prayers” attitudes, all “Look, I’m healthy again – God did this, and God can heal you too!”-stories, etc. Even if it hurts your feelings, I will be against things like that, because it encourages people to *actually* trust in faith healing, which can lead to other innocent kids die from treatable things when parents are convinced that faith healing works.
So even if you are rational enough to go to a doctor, I don’t care if you feel a little insulted if I want to point out that the human medicine is the only thing that has an observable effect. Prayer has never had any observable effect in studies.